Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:12 PM
Thank you soooo much....very interesting.... but it seems that RC. Sproul's view is most prevalent.
"Though the many authors cited above differ on various issues associated with headcoverings, one important issue upon which they are all agreed is that Paul was not commanding the women in Corinth either to let their hair grow long so as to use their long hair as a headcovering in worship, or to neatly place their hair upon their heads as a headcovering in worship, but rather to place upon their heads a fabric headcovering when they worship before the Lord. This conclusion is reached by scholars from various denominational backgrounds, from different geographical locations, and from many periods of church history. The wearing of fabric head coverings in worship was universally the practice of Christian women until the twentieth century. What happened? Did we suddenly find some biblical truth to which the saints for thousands of years were blind? Or were our biblical views of women gradually eroded by the modern feminist movement that has infiltrated the Church of Jesus Christ which is "the pillar and ground of the truth" (1Ti 3:15)?
Do you think in your spare time you could look at this? and give me your opinion on these quotes. I would really appreciate it.
Subject: HeadCovering Articles
Andrew: I just came across this series of statements on head coverings. I haven\'t read them all but thought you might be interested. Blessings, Gary
Thanking you for your kind words.
This subject is much ridiculed these days in our churches, even maligned to the point that godly women that want to live a godly life in order with Godís commands are ashamed to put the veil on. See, the point of the veil is simply to indicate submission to the man, but such thing in todayís society is definitely Not ON, not PC, and yet the Lord commands that the woman be submitted to the man.
As you stated, the veil on women was the normal and accepted thing till Democracy started entering the churches followed by its daughter, feminism, and you know very well who is behind all this. Also democracy effectively mentally castrated the men that now are not able to stand up to this Satanic tide and to proclaim the standard of God, as we are able to see all around us and in every sides.
Democracy is NOT from God, the Kingdom of God is NOT democratic, there He commands and everybody obeys MOST willingly.
In the prayer that Jesus gave to his disciples, what do you think the first phrase means?: "And He said to them, When you pray, say: Our Father, who [is] in Heaven, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come, Your will be done, as in Heaven, so also on the earth." (Luk 11:2 )
Since Adam, it was normal for women to wear a "fabric head covering" all day long in every circumstance, as you still see the Sematic and Islamic women even today. They have not changed because of feminism is out, but you see that when feminism enters in some of their quarters, the veil is the first thing to go for it represents submission to man, and to God.
I have hear all sort of preaching on 1 Corinthians 11 on this subject with fantastic interpretations. In my understanding and considering the wearing of the veil for 6000 years I see it this way:
Woman should have long hair as a covering of submission, especially to her husband.
An interesting point here: Why, even in tradition, when a woman gets married her father takes her to the bridegroom and hands her over to him. WHY? This represent when God took Eve to Adam and handed her over to him. What means this? Before Eve was under the headship of God and then she passed over under the headship of Adam. Similarly, the daughter is under the headship of the father and then passes under the headship of the husband. The woman is always under headship and for that reason she should have long hair as a sign of submission.
What do you thing women with short hair are saying by that, even female preachers, another heresy of rebellion.
This fatherly headship is proven by "But the man who is strong in mind and purpose, who is not forced but has control over his desires, does well if he comes to the decision to keep her a virgin." (1Co 7:37 BBE) clearly stating that the father has even the power to keep his daughter from marring by keeping her virgin. Can you see this happening in our evil society ??? Indeed this notion may even offend you, see how far we have gone from Godís standard.
Paulís reference to have a veil when praying I understand it to mean that she must wear the veil ALWAYS when praying to fully demonstrate to all her submission to man and to God. A women should never pray without a veil on her head, can you see this happening these days ??? Are we in open rebellion against Godís ordinances? YES.
So I see it this way:
Woman must always wear long hair (for she is the glory of the man)
Woman must wear a veil (NOT a fancy tiny hat) when praying or prophesying (she must not dishonour her head, the man 1Co11:3, 7)
It is best for woman to wear the veil ALL THE TIME, that way her submission is clear to all.
But all this is gone, and we men are to blame for we let the Spirit of Jezebel enter the church and our homes, indeed in some cases it has been invited in. Our churches are in free fall into decadence and unbelief, apart the direct intervention of the Lord, there is little hope, if any, methinks.
Be well dear bro Andrew
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"For if a woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn: but if it is a shame to a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be veiled." (1Co 11:6 ASV)
"For if a woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn. But [if it] is shameful for a woman to be shorn, or to be shaved, let her be veiled." (1Co 11:6 LIT)
"For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered." (1Co 11:6 AV)
Strong for that word (veiled/covered)
2619 katakaluptw katakalupto kat-ak-al-oopí-to
from 2596 and 2572;
AV-cover 3; 3
1) to cover up
2) to veil or cover oneís self
seems straight forward, it is VEIL or fabric covering, other than hair.
the idea that long hair replaces the veil is a modern concoction to find a compromise for fear of the Jewesses derived from 1Co 11:15 but here in 11:6 the word is not hair. Long hair is ordinary covering, that she must have anyway, but when prying she must also be veiled. need one and the other, methinks.
the meaning i see is that if a woman is not with the veil (when praying) it is no use having long hair, she may as well be shorn, which is a disgrace to her. Indeed during the war the first thing they did to female spies was to shave their hair as a sign of contempt and scorn.
that is how i read it